Your Birthday Holds Your Life Blueprint: Understanding Numerology with Novalee Wilder

Discover how your birthday is more than just a date—it's your cosmic blueprint. In this fascinating episode, professional numerologist Novalee Wilder reveals how understanding the hidden meanings behind your personal numbers can transform your relationships, career choices, and life purpose.

Novalee shares her incredible journey from Danish actress to renowned numerology expert, including her powerful story of changing her own name and the life-altering results that followed. Learn how numerology differs from astrology, what your life path number reveals about you, and why some people experience "karmic debt" while others possess rare "master numbers."

Whether you're new to numerology or looking to deepen your understanding, this episode offers practical insights into how the ancient science of numbers can help you navigate major life decisions with clarity and confidence.

KEY TAKEAWAYS

Your birthday is your cosmic blueprint - Numerology views your birth date as a divine assignment containing your life's purpose and lessons

Names carry energetic vibrations - The letters in your name create specific frequencies that influence how you experience life and how others perceive you

Master numbers are special - Numbers 11, 22, and 33 carry amplified energy and are not reduced to single digits

Name changes can transform lives - Changing your name to a more harmonious vibration can shift your life trajectory dramatically

Numerology is practical - It can be used for career guidance, relationship compatibility, business naming, and major life decisions

Your base number is foundational - This is the core energy you carry throughout life, calculated from your birthdate

Novalee Wilder is a Danish actress and artist turned professional numerologist and published author living in Los Angeles.She's the author of "A Little Bit of Numerology" and "A Little Bit of Angel Numbers," the host of The Numerology Podcast, and founder of The Numerology School. She offers name changing sessions, mentorships, training, and talks about the sacred spiritual science of numbers and letters.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction to Numerology's Ancient Wisdom
• 10:14 The Power of Changing Your Name
• 21:42 Understanding Base Numbers and Life Purpose
• 31:09 Leadership Numbers and Personal Challenges
• 40:30 Angel Numbers as Spiritual Messengers
• 48:00 Practical Applications of Numerology

Transcript

Rose: 0:00

The ancient science of numerology suggests your birthday isn't just the day you were born. It's a cosmic blueprint for your entire life journey. Today, professional numerologist Novalee Wilder breaks down how understanding the hidden meaning behind your personal numbers can help you navigate relationships, career choices and even your deepest purpose. Career choices and even your deepest purpose. Ready to unlock your most vibrant, authentic self, welcome to Chat Off The Mat where holistic wellness meets practical wisdom and extraordinary transformation. I'm your host, Rose Wippich. I'm a Qigong instructor, yoga teacher and a Reiki master. So get ready for inspiring conversations with wellness experts who understand your unique journey, plus practical tools for energy healing, life transitions and conscious and soulful living. Your journey to radiant wellness starts now. Let's create magic together. Novali Wilder is a Danish actress and artist, turned professional numerologist and published author living in Los Angeles. She's the author of A Little Bit of Numerology and A Little Bit of Angel Numbers and the host of the Numerology podcast and founder of the Numerology School. Welcome Novalee. I'm so happy you're here. I'm so excited.

Novalee: 1:28

Thank you. I'm so happy and so honored to be here and excited to talk.

Rose: 1:32

Well, I've never had anyone on the show yet that is a numerologist and to talk about numerology, and I'm fascinated by the topic and I'm sure my listeners will be as well. So what I would like for you to talk about first is what your story like. Tell us about Novalee, what drew you to exploring numerology, but also helping others, and just what brought you here.

Novalee: 1:59

So well. First of all, I didn't start out as Novalee. I guess that is helpful to know, since we're talking numerology and everyone has a story with their name and about their name. I love hearing stories about why are people named, what they are named or who they're named after, and there's just as many good stories where people are excited and identify with their name and feel like, oh, this is part of my identity and maybe I'm proud there can be some lineage or stuff like that. And there's just as many people who are like I don't like my name.

Novalee: 2:32

I always have to spell it Like maybe I was made fun of, maybe I'm named after someone that my family doesn't like anymore. There was a falling out. So I have a weird story about my name too, where, like my mom had picked a name, then on the way to the church or when I was going to get, like, baptized, she came up with a different name. And then the priest who was like writing my name and like he switched the names. So like he was supposed to write like one sequence of names and he just switched them up and then I didn't know I had multiple names. I thought I just had one first name, like Christine was my given name, with a C-H.

Rose: 3:22

I was going to ask if it was with a K, because you're Danish. I didn't know. Okay.

Novalee: 3:26

No, it would have been better with a C-H. I was going to ask if it was with a K because you're famous. I didn't know. Okay, no, it would have been better with a K. But then when I was eight years old, I saw my like birth certificate or something for the first time and I realized that my first name was actually not Christine, it was Ava. And as any good eight-year-old child goes, like, I don't want my old name, I want this new name. Um, so from that on, like there was kind of a split where everyone knew I met and, like people in my school, my friends would all call me Ava, my family would call me Christine and that can it's, it's funky in your mind over time because there is identity in names short names, long names. And you know, as Ava grew up, christine kind of stayed a child or stayed in like that family constellation. And I think at some point in my 20s I actually told my family, hey, can we all just call me Ava, like that would be nice. I don't feel like I don't connect with Christine and they were a little grumbly about it. But, ok, ok, yeah, I guess.

Novalee: 4:31

And then in my late 20s I went to New York to study acting and I went through a bunch of like personal shifts and I really recommend everyone at any point in life that it's really helpful sometimes to leave everything you know behind and get to be whoever you want to be. And as I was like being whoever I wanted to be, I was introduced to numerology and the concept of name change and I had a really good friend go through a name change and a bunch of things like just shifted in her life in a way where I was like wow, this is like magic, like this is more than I've ever seen for you before. And so I ended up having a session with a numerologist and it was really something I hope I never do to my clients. I hope I don't scare them. It it was like scarily accurate and she was very like the gloves were off. She was very like I don't want to call it like brutal, but she was very honest about the impact that was of my name and it was very like accurate. And so she was like unfortunately, we can't just change one or two names here or change the spelling or whatever like if you want to change things, you have to change your entire name, and I was like shit, that's big.

Novalee: 5:55

But I was also at a point in my life in general I'm like a go big or go home kind of person. I'm like I mean, if you don't really leap, you don't really leap, you don't really know. Certain things we can change a little habit, we can get to it over time. Other things you do have to jump in with both feet. So I decided to change my name, my entire name, all of my names first, middle, last names and I did so.

Novalee: 6:25

And the beautiful thing about the time I can't do that now because I live in the US like full-time, but in the wonderful Danish system it's all like digital and you like log in money and like like ripples through all the institutions and banks and your doctor and everything just gets updated. So you literally have that feeling of becoming someone new on paper immediately and that name change. I mean from a numerologist perspective. I understand why it changed so many things Like now I understand the energy and I've studied it and I know about numbers and names and identity and the filters and name vibrations can be on who we are and what we're meant to do. I also know some more about like trauma and nervous system work. I understand something about like the personas we sometimes present to other people and how they are tied to things like names, but like so many things changed, you know, like on a physical level, like aches and pains and certain things, I lost weight like that was a big thing Very shortly after I met the man that I'm now married to and like before then I had really kind of sworn off love and I was like I'm not good with it, it's never going to happen, it's fine.

Novalee: 7:46

And like I was never married, like interested in like getting married or anything like this. And like after I kissed him the first time I was like damn it, I will have to marry this guy. So like a great love story was also born from this. And like there are many layers and like not all name changes do the same thing, because we're not all supposed to do the same thing. Um, but like luck was introduced on a whole new level, like I mean we won the green card lottery, which was wonderful, so we could stay in the us together. I mean later down the numerology path, like an editor reaching out to me and being like hey, do you want to write a book about numerology. That's not usually how it goes when people write books, right?

Novalee: 8:30

it's true, yeah, and I have like a long list of like luck, things like that also.

Rose: 8:37

Um, but yeah, like I mean almost yeah it's like you change your name and all these things started to come and and I'm sure some of these things were probably subconsciously manifesting, and then you change your name. And then how did you determine to to to choose this name? Is it, was it through because you could have picked other names that maybe created the same numerical vibration? Yeah, yeah, so because it's a pretty name, thank you.

Novalee: 9:07

Uh, so, like my numerologist gave me name lists and that's what I do too Like I picked the name vibration, but there will be hundreds, if not thousands, if more than 10,000 names with like that vibration.

Novalee: 9:19

So, like, um, like, one of my middle names are Marlo, but it has the same vibration as Karen, so I could also have had Karen as a middle name and like me just saying Karen, like we already get, like there's something about names and when you look at them and like there's something very empowering about the process of picking out your own name and pulling on like maybe there's some archetypes or like it's also truly okay I had this conversation with myself it's truly okay to just go for the most beautiful thing you can put together. There's also sometimes, you know, like, I have clients across the world and there's also sometimes, you know, like I have clients across the world. Sometimes it's like people go and they are allowed to go fully. For, you know, like the you know country you're in, there might be limits to what kind of last names or like combinations of names you can do.

Novalee: 10:37

Yeah, so I like I just looked at the names and I knew, like I mean, I was called Ava. So like I knew I liked something with A in it. So like Nova, nova Lee was just kind of perfect for me. And like some people call me Nova and some people call me Nova Lee was just kind of perfect for me. And like some people call me Nova and some people call me Nova Lee and funnily enough, I've had like a million versions of Christine and Ava where I hated what people turned it into and with Nova and Nova Lee, like I don't mind at all and I also don't mind having to spell it and I don't mind even when people mispronounce it having to spell it, and I don't mind even when people mispronounce it.

Novalee: 11:07

So sometimes, like some of those, when when people are, when something great with a name and like it feels like it's not quite fitting, sometimes I say maybe there is something you should know about that vibration and how it impacts you, and maybe there is even. Um, yeah, I can't share the details of that, but like in America, people love to shorten names, like they really do Names or short names or letters only right?

Rose: 11:31

You know like.

Novalee: 11:31

Jennifer will always be Jen or Jenny or something like that. Like, benjamin will be Ben, and sometimes these, like, cuter, shorter versions don't actually fit Like the energy of the shorter version. What's the shooter? The short and cute version of the don't actually fit Like the energy of the shoot of the shorter version. Was the shooter? The short and cute version of the names doesn't fit, and so sometimes, like when I have sessions, it's also just to give people permission to be like. You know what I like Benjamin. Call me Benjamin instead of Ben. Like, like, like you can sometimes take back the longer name because it actually fits you better.

Rose: 12:06

yeah, yeah, that makes sense. So so it's part of what you do is you help people if they need to change their name. Help them find the the appropriate name. But let's, let's talk a little bit, and you do that also with businesses. It's not just name for names, but do it for businesses for anything else that they need an appropriate name for, to help them find that vibration within that.

Novalee: 12:30

Yeah, I mean babies, children, people, pets I have helped name pets, houses. At times I've named some houses. Yeah, like books and records and programs and products. Like the strongest energy will always be your own, which is also why your personal name is going to have the biggest impact. But if you want to get nitty gritty, of course it also impacts, like a book, what the title is, or like a record with the name of that. Like, yeah, sometimes you can pick like the name of one of the songs and use that as like the record title, but other times there are other like implications and like when, like we pick the date that something goes live, and stuff like that too.

Rose: 13:14

Yeah, I know that there is a base number you talk about in because there's different types of numerology and we'll talk about the type that obviously you use. So the importance of a base number right, there's an importance and benefits behind a person's base number. So talk, can you talk about that from like the foundational stuff?

Novalee: 13:32

Yeah, when we look at a birthday, depending on what kind of numerologist we are, we will like zoom in on different numbers. So I'm a Chaldean numerologist and I'm going to zoom in on the day you were born, just the day, not the month, not the year, just the day, and I'm going to find the digit sum of that day. So if you're born on the 1st, you're a 1. Lovely simple. If you're born on the 10th, you're also a 1, because 1 plus 0 is 1. If you're born on the 28th, like me, you're also a one, because two plus eight is 10 and one plus zero is one. And that's how we look at the date. So if you have a double digit day, you find the digit sum and you know the base number of this person.

Novalee: 14:15

Of course it matters what the sun sign is, and sometimes we get those like wonderful dates where it's like 777 or something like that. Like, sometimes we have to look at the repeating numbers in a birthday too, but we always reduce double digits to a digit sum, which means that also, when we look at a year, like I'm born in 1986, 1 plus 9 plus 8 plus 6, you're going to get 24. And then 2 plus 4 is 6. So my second base number, my first base number is one from being born on the 28th.

Rose: 14:48

My second base number, or my yearly base number, is from the year I was born in oh, it's from the year, so you have a second, a first base number and then a second base number.

Novalee: 14:58

Yes, and these two base numbers. If people are familiar with astrology, you can think about it kind of like as like your sun and rising, you know, like your big and like a year, we would treat your sun sign as part of your big three, like that. But I would, I would rank them first base number, second base number and then sun sign if I was looking at it like that. And these numbers are dancing in your life, they are like, they are creating a rhythm, they're creating an impact, they are an imprint on your personality. Or you could also say, like they are the doors you have decided to walk through as a soul in this lifetime and be colored by and imprinted by and affected by. The most important one is your first base number. So the day you were born, which is like a side note. When, like Americans write um the month first, I always find that like interesting somehow, like why, why would you start with the month? Because the day is the most important? Um? So the day is like where we have the life goals and life lessons and we have the challenges and gifts and each base number is kind of needed. I see, I see this sometimes where people find their base number and they get disappointed. They're like, oh, but I don't want to be a two. Or like it sounds like sevens are weak. Or it sounds like if I'm eight, I'm an eight, I'm just doomed, because it's like karmic and I'm more seeing it like if you look like a palette of colors, you couldn't just remove the red because like, oh, red is a lot Like some of us are here to be a lot. You also couldn't just be like, oh, red is a lot Like some of us are here to be a lot. You also couldn't just be like, well, white is boring, like it's not really even a color, and I'm like sometimes we need something that is not everything else. Sometimes we need something that is in between, something that can connect other colors or water them down just a little bit. These are some of the images I use in my sessions as well.

Novalee: 17:05

So looking at your base number is going to tell us something about who you want to be as a soul in this lifetime. Looking at your second base number is going to tell us something about your inner experience and also where you run to if you kind of get thwarted in your first base number. So if any of us are wounded sufficiently, we will retreat into our second base number and live from that a little bit more and we might feel a little bit safer and a little less like. It's interesting, like we will feel less threatening to others and that will make us feel a little bit safer. But it's not really like we will feel less threatening to others and that will make us feel a little bit safer. But it's not really where the gold is, it's not really where the growth is. It's more supposed to be like a supporting character in this little dance between the numbers. So, and often when I talk to people I can tell they feel more seen in their second base number, and then I know we have to have that conversation about like there might be some trauma around their first base number, for example.

Novalee: 18:12

I don't know. Um, most people don't really get offended or hurt by words that don't hit home. If I said to you, rose, oh, you're so wishy-washy you'll never make a decision, you'd be a little like, uh well, that's not really true, so I don't. I mean you must not be talking about me. But if I said well, rose, sometimes you come off a little strong, I might use words, words like bossy. Or someone might have said, like micromanaging or like you know, like controlling, controlling they might have used some of those words and you would go well, I mean, I mean, I don't like hearing it, but maybe on some level I understand that like it's who I can be or it's what I can be judged for.

Novalee: 19:00

So some of those, like I see every number as a spectrum. So like in the low end of like the nine spectrum for you because you're a nine, we should add that because you're born on 27th and it's the same for me as a one, because we have leadership qualities in these two numbers, because we have leadership qualities in these two numbers, like you're going to find that micromanaging slightly manipulating, because, like we have to do it this way. Like I know it's the best way, I will make you do it, you know, like it's better for you, right? Yeah, like you know, we're going to talk about the low end of the leadership spectrum where we no one likes to be and we've all had a boss or someone in our life who's tried to do that and sometimes it also helps as someone, like when you understand your own spectrum, you can go wow, I'm trying to, I'm really trying to like come up with ways to get this person to do something that they really don't seem to want to do. Or like I'm feeling a little powerless in certain areas of my life, so I'm trying to exert power in some other areas, to kind of like gain back some territory. Or like, yes, self-sufficiency, like who? Okay, maybe there's a different way, maybe there's a different way. I can also like I use this All of the leadership numbers can kind of be reduced to critics, like the in this one or your link didn't work, and like we start like telling other, like we're, like you're not doing it right, like you're supposed to be this leading thing, authority, whatever, you're not doing it right, and that can come some like, if you squeeze a leader enough, sometimes the critic will come out.

Novalee: 20:55

Or like the, what I call the proofreader, and some people spend their entire lives in the lower end of the spectrum. This is not to like talk down on people, but sometimes we also need an invitation to become bigger and to like realize we have more influence and that we don't have to manipulate our way to doing it. This got very dark, but it was just too like.

Rose: 21:21

No, it makes a lot of sense and, being aware of how you are as a person, and then understanding your numerology, you can make changes. So you're not always stuck in that nine. And I have to tell you, my second base is a one, so I've got to look.

Novalee: 21:34

No, there is no way to run.

Rose: 21:37

Yeah, sorry, I'm hearing you. I'm like, oh my gosh, what is wrong with me? Well, it's wonderful. I mean it's wonderful.

Novalee: 21:43

I think it's also really interesting. I love having sessions with people who have especially women, who have a lot of these leadership numbers. Much work you do, you. There is also that like gender issue where it's just like you have to figure out what leadership looks like to you and you have to make it almost like a female word, because to a lot of people when I say leader, they go I can't be that kind of like when I say you know that? Um, that game or whatever it is like.

Novalee: 22:18

Imagine a doctor. And then like they put up a scenario and then they say do you realize that in your head the doctor was always male and the nurse was always female, even though in the real scenario the doctor was female and the nurse was male of being in leadership or being an authority or having impact or having power or having to have people follow your lead. It's like, yeah, there's something like shame and guilt tied to it for women. There is something that kind of gets like galvanized when we have two leadership numbers, or if people have the same number is as their and second base number, right, okay, so if I have a session with someone who's a double two and two is connected to the moon and cancer and dreaming fun. They have life lessons about having fun. It's literally on the menu.

Novalee: 23:12

And when I talk about being sensitive and creative to them, sometimes they're like I don't see any of that as like a weakness and I'm like no, I know, but to a lot of people who had like a stronger first base number and a gentler or weaker, whatever you want to call it second base number, they would have a strong feeling of one of them being more powerful and one of them being more like soft, what could also say like um, expansive and kind of like imploding a little bit, you know, like moving inwards.

Novalee: 23:48

So, like you, when you have nine and one, there is like you run into another leader. When you get challenged and it might also be, I would say, like even a simpler leader that kind of drills things down to the essence, because nine might be a little also tied into some of the spiritual aspects or some of like the higher visions for what leadership should be, and then, if you get pushed into the one, it's like well, what needs to be done? Yeah, like, what do we need? Okay, you don't want to hear about the vision.

Rose: 24:24

Like, okay, fine, yeah, that's, that's how I am, yeah, so so your book I know you have a. Your book is a little bit of numerology and we were talking about this, and what I love about this is it really is compact, it's filled with information, so someone can look up their base number and come in here and learn about themselves really and you get into some detail about their base number, which is nice, and it's not in a very complicated form, it's simplistic.

Novalee: 24:53

So it's a good start. I try to make it very simple.

Rose: 24:56

Yeah, it's a really great start. So calculating your base number, finding that and then determining your second base, and then you have it in this book. And then you also were talking about the month. Is the sun sign, right? Yeah, and you say that number one is Leo. How do you do? How does that work? Because I'm thinking, okay, well, typically within astrology is Aries is the number one sign, so how is Leo?

Novalee: 25:19

one. Yeah, so some of the numbers, because there are more sun signs than numbers, so some of them are going to share. This also leads back to numerology is an old spiritual science so, like Chaldean, numerology is at least 3,000 years old, probably more.

Rose: 25:38

Yeah, they're both old, right. Yeah, that's great. Least at least 3 000 years old, um, probably more.

Novalee: 25:41

But we just kind of like, yeah, um, great. And so there's like an overlap with um indian numerology and at that point in time they were using and looking at um sun signs and like the, the planets, as like there would be a good version and a bad version. I think in astrology it's like a malefic or something like that oh yeah so like, for example, one and four shared the sun um as a planet, where one was the good and four was the bad.

Rose: 26:16

I see.

Novalee: 26:17

Okay. And then later, when they got like, when they realized, oh, there are more planets, they were like, oh, let's change it, so. So some like one is Leo and two is cancer, and like we could like, sometimes I also think about them, like you can find them all in the book. You could also think about them as, like the elements, they also all tie into an element and so all of the um like all the signs are like Leo's fire, cancer's water. Is that your friend?

Novalee: 26:48

yeah, right and I would also say that, like you will probably find, for most people I do sessions with, there is often some form of overlap in like their big three and their base numbers. So for example, for me I'm a one and I'm also a leo, so that's like double up on that. And then I'm like my second base number is six and my rising sign is cancer, and two and six kind of share that water element, so like from a numerology, astrology perspective, like my two charts say the same thing.

Novalee: 27:24

Oh wow, that's interesting yeah, and like that, I have yet to meet someone. I'm not saying they don't exist, of course they do where there isn't some kind of overlap, which is also one of the things I like about like all of these old systems, is that like we're looking at the same terrain but with different maps yeah so they should agree on some things.

Novalee: 27:48

And I've had, like because I'm so curious, you know, I've had sessions with other numerologists or other numerology systems I think I don't remember what this is called, oh, soul code or something like that where it was very clear that the core source of their understanding of numbers were the same. They were just using it slightly differently. So like if you looked at my numerology chart, you're going to see a lot of one energy, because also of the leo and everything. I'm like cool. And they were like we don't, we don't see one, we see nine, but we connect nine to Leo. And I was like okay, so you, we agree, you just you're using a different number, but you're basically seeing the same energy.

Rose: 28:29

So like I mean, I find that with this is my test for whenever I meet a new system. Is it like? Can I see the same terrain underneath that Numerology also can? You can also identify the dynamics in your own households right by knowing the base numbers of the people you're married to, your children, your siblings, people you work with. So having if you get to know their birthdays right, you can say, okay, well, they're an eight and this is the way they operate, so I can approach them in this way. Does that work as well?

Novalee: 29:01

Yeah, and I love doing that because I know that, like, if you understand the spectrum of a base number, you can invite them higher. And I feel like that's the. I mean, we all want to invite it higher in our own spectrum, we all want to be seen. It's not to be seen for like a fake potential, but it's just like one step up the ladder. So it's like how do we phrase a question, how do we frame a request? If we need someone to do something? Like, if I have to ask a leadership number to do something, I would do that differently than one of our connectors or one of our nurturers.

Novalee: 29:38

Because I also know that if you're dealing with authority, you have to respect that authority Right. Sometimes people have found themselves in places where I'm like you have absolutely no authority here, but you're acting like you have some. So maybe you're a leadership member who has found themselves on the wrong shelf and if I acknowledge the authority I see in you, I'm going to get better service from you, or I'm going to get, like, a better interaction because you're going to feel more seen. And this is not manipulation, this is just speaking to what is underneath what it might appear to be. Sometimes you know, like when people have a job, that we think you could do more than this, and I'm gonna just talk to the part of you that could do more and also like you're not manipulating them, like you said you're not, you're just um, you're just creating a better environment to collaborate.

Rose: 30:35

so so, just as an exercise, just uh, if I can go through this, because we've been talking so much and I know people out there are like, oh my gosh, this numerology stuff but if we can just go through each number, just to nine, and just give me one, can you give me one word that identifies each one?

Novalee: 30:49

Oh God, is that possible? I can try.

Rose: 30:53

Okay, okay, so a one.

Novalee: 31:05

Two words. It has to be two words um. Cheer leader, okay, cheerleader, yeah, two um I think I would say like sensitive heart okay, yeah, you said sensitive before for two, yeah, three Ambition Four Rebel Five. I mean I would say friend. I think that's that they might not feel so, seen by that Like connector.

Rose: 31:36

Okay.

Novalee: 31:40

Six, the lover or the artist, I would say Seven oh, we're going to get fancy. It's like saying, like the channel from heaven.

Rose: 31:53

Oh, I like that. The seven, okay, eight.

Novalee: 31:56

I would like to say it's not black and white. Okay, because they think things are black and white.

Rose: 32:03

Ah, okay.

Novalee: 32:04

At times.

Rose: 32:04

Okay, and the nine?

Novalee: 32:07

I mean because it's the end of the line. So there's some like I mean we could say that the final challenge or the final gift. Yeah, it's nice. I don't know if these were so helpful, but it's a good start.

Rose: 32:27

I just wanted to make people curious. I know they're probably calculating in their heads now Okay, what's my base number? What does it mean? But everyone should buy Novelu's book anyway. So that gives you a good starting point to learn numerology. But I'd like to transition a little bit into also angel numbers. I know people talk about angel numbers and you have a book about that as well. Can you talk about angel numbers then? And how you came about writing the book and just a little bit of energy around.

Novalee: 32:56

Yeah. So I first have to say that a little bit of Angel Numbers is a slightly different Angel Number book, simply because it's based on the Chaldean system, which means that if you read a little bit of numerology or you read some Chaldean numerology books and then you read a little bit of Angel Numbers, you're going to go. I see what she did there, because I see that a lot of other angel numbers and there are lots of great ones are a little more channeled, which has its own merit. But I felt like part of my work of doing those little bit of books is also like how can you become your own expert a little bit and how can you understand the system to a level where you can apply the system even though you can't read a little bit of numerology? And I would say, call yourself a professional numerologist. You need a little bit more than that. But I want you to be able to apply it really fast and that usually means here's the system.

Novalee: 33:51

So I wrote a little bit of angel numbers because I was buried in requests. I'm not complaining, I'm not complaining, but I'm just like people were like what does this mean? What does that mean? Do you want to do an article series. Do you want to do a 10-part article series? Do you want a second 10-part article series about angel numbers? And I was like wow, and this was like in 2022, 2023, and there was like a real resurgence in like the mainstream of angel numbers and people were writing articles about seeing 11, 11 and what does it mean? And like, yeah, a whole thing about like uh, I think angels in general too.

Rose: 34:28

There's a lot of um yeah discussion and uh curiosity about the angels yeah but there's also a general like.

Novalee: 34:37

Spirituality is always going mainstream, I guess. But, like you know, people were getting angel number tattoos. They're probably still getting angel number tattoos and I was like this is definitely like reaching a level where, you know, I have something to say about it. So with that one, I reached out to my editor and was like, hey, angel numbers, would that be like a good next book to write? And she was like, yes, let's do it. So that's why I wrote it and I also wrote it like you can find the first a thousand angel numbers and you can find your repeating numbers. But I also really wanted to write a little bit about, like, how to go deeper with this. Like, from a more spiritual perspective, I find angel numbers to be like a gateway drug. It's often angel like.

Novalee: 35:23

Seeing numbers is often something people do when they're in some kind of transition or when they have that first Like touch point with something talking back to them and not just them, maybe having a little meditation practice or maybe doing a little prayer here and there, but like have this feeling of like, oh, I think, I think I'm getting messages, I think something is trying to talk to me or I keep seeing this thing over and over again, or it could be a lucky number. You could see it on license plates. It could be like your birthday or someone significant's birthday. There could be a lot of like implications and people usually feel very like oh, something is happening, this is exciting, and then at some point they go.

Novalee: 36:09

I don't know what to do with it. And that's why you should pick up a little bit of angel numbers. That's what you should do and then you should not just understand the system, but also understand a little bit about, like, how, how the angels operate and how like subtle some of this information and and messaging is. And like subtlety is a lost art in general. And, um, I do think that, while social media is doing much good, I also think it's dulling our senses, um, to a certain degree and I mean I also study neuroscience, so they're like certain certain things in our body that are just not used to the amount of information and impact and images.

Novalee: 36:57

Um, we kind of like fill our cup with some of those things and it's too much, though, yeah yeah, and there's less space for god or the angels or just yourself, because I feel like some of this is also like creating space for an understanding.

Rose: 37:16

Like things like angel numbers is like creating space for an understanding like things like angel numbers is like creating space for the conversation you are basically always having with your higher self in some way and when, those, when we see these numbers and their repeated patterns, patterns sometimes it's nice just to pause and maybe even think about like what you were thinking or what you were doing, or or even write it down and say this is what I saw, and see if there's like a pattern, and try to interpret that pattern. But it is definitely a connection to angels. You know, there's that energy that they're saying hey, this is some kind of message, like you said.

Novalee: 37:51

Yeah, and also I mean there are general messages. That's why I wrote the book. You can find your general message and you can find your personal angel number. Over time, I also feel like you keep asking this question how would you answer it? You know, like sometimes people are like, oh, I keep seeing this, what does it mean? And sometimes I say what do you think it means? Right, what did you think it meant when you saw it Thursday? Or like you can make a, I've seen it all these times. Okay, do any of these times have something?

Novalee: 38:22

like sometimes I'm like I don't know. Yeah, but be like a spiritual exploration is also becoming your own teacher a little bit.

Rose: 38:32

Yeah, so I mean I connect with angels, so I have conversations with them, right? So? And I may have repeated the same conversations with them, asking them for, can you just give me some guidance or help? And you know, they'll show me, and it could be in numbers, and it could be in a repeated pattern in numbers, and then I'll be like, okay, what does that mean, or whatever. So, having that conversation and not just waiting for these answers and thinking they're random. They may not be random, you may already be having these conversations in your head with these angels and not realizing it, but have them, have the conversations with them and have them show you what these numbers are, or signs or whatever. Just like you said, you could see a license plate or a house number or somebody's birthday show up. When you're thinking about them. I know, like for me, my birthday. Every time I look at my watch, my birthday will pop up and I always think, well, that's my mom telling me. She's around, that's, you know, because she's passed.

Rose: 39:28

So, that's you know 127. Every time I see it I'm like, oh, that's her and it was something I associate with her. So now I feel that's comforting every time I see that.

Novalee: 39:39

Yeah, and that's also I mean. Sometimes people are looking for really big answers and sometimes the answer is just comfort, right, Like. Sometimes the answer is just like you're good, you're good, you're doing the right thing, yeah, you're all right and I'm here. I mean, which is also, like, mostly why people turn to spiritual things like am I alone? No, yeah, are you sure? Yes, are you really sure? Yeah, we're like okay.

Rose: 40:09

Yeah, I love that. Are there ways we can integrate numerology into our lives that we haven't talked about?

Novalee: 40:17

I mean understanding people and what they're here to do. That's really helpful. Also, sometimes understanding if you go deeper into it, like certain name vibrations. I liken them to like filters. We all understand filters.

Novalee: 40:30

In this day and age of Instagram, we understand that sometimes you put a filter on things and it looks very different than when you didn't have the filter on. And that's the thing with name vibrations understanding. Um, you can understand your family better, like when I changed my last name and no longer carried my dad's last name. I actually understood him better by not carrying the same filter as him. I'm sure he has maybe issues with it, who knows? Like what are we going to do? But like, I understood my dad so much better. And I also look at my sisters, knowing their base numbers and their name vibrations and the people they married, which means like the energy they invited in and the energy they then had like children with and like how those children interact and how there is all like some energies playing out and there are ways like some energies playing out and there are ways we can understand each other and there are ways we can understand each other, so we don't have to try. Like there's also sometimes like, not a giving up, but just an acceptance of like. Oh, this is who you are and I might talk a certain way and explain myself a certain way, but through your filter, these words will always be turned into something slightly different.

Novalee: 41:41

Like, some people are marinators, what I call it where, like, you put something into them, like you talk to them about something whatever, and they go in the marinade and what comes out of the marinade is sometimes something where you're like I don't really think that's what I said or how I meant it, but that's how you're taking it, and I have to sometimes know that that what comes out of the marinade of some people is like they're all brand of brilliant and crazy and that's what they're here to do. So, understanding people, interacting with them I mean, I use it to vet people Like that's not like a. I never want to be one of those persons like I can't work with a Scorpio or something like that. But I definitely know that with certain things I'm like there are certain people who are like I would hire you in a heartbeat to do whatever I needed to do, and there are others where I'm like I would have some reservations about certain things or I would know that I would need certain things in place and I mean I've also ignored certain things.

Novalee: 42:45

So, like I've had roommates when I knew some of this stuff where I was like, oh, it's fine, it wasn't fine, it was in their numeroscope and I was like, oh, and that's the thing that, like, people are multifaceted and of course they're more than their numbers, but sometimes you can look at someone's birthday and their name and deduce some things about their behavior, or if they're trustworthy or if they're good at putting other needs ahead of their own, and you can decide some things. If I'm launching things, if I have to do a podcast, then we are doing this on the 23rd, which is a five-day, which is great for connection and communication and open channels and conversations. That branches off into different aspects, or like the Internet for me works better on five days, so I'm like picking those if I can. Interesting.

Rose: 43:47

Yeah.

Novalee: 43:48

Yeah, things like that.

Rose: 43:49

Things like that. Okay, yeah, and also what you understand from a personal perspective, where your weaknesses are, or imbalances are and you can just create more understanding as a, as a natural authority.

Novalee: 44:06

I know that people who have issues with authority will have issues with me. In other words, this is very leo, but like haters are gonna hate. So like I'm like oh, I mean, that's a, that's a natural thing. If I'm in the room, people might turn to me, even if someone else is technically leading, and that can be frustrating for whoever is technically in charge and this is not me me being like, oh, I can't help it, but I like this is just human nature that like people will turn like who looks like they know what they're doing. And sometimes, if people are like oh, you always look like you know what you're doing and I'm like no one is paying me to look lost. If you want to pay me to look lost, I will totally look lost Like, but but nobody is paying me to do that right now, so I'm going to show up as I show up. Yeah.

Rose: 45:03

And you're an actress and Leo, it fits with that actress too right.

Novalee: 45:08

Yeah, it fits with that too. Yeah, but that's also like sometimes it's just like it is what it is, you know, like we don't have to make excuses, lean into it.

Rose: 45:20

Yeah, you know, like we don't have to make excuses, lean into it. Yeah, I love that. Um, you offer free resources on your site. I know you have uh calculators, right, so name calculators or so that people can find that. What other things that do you offer that um you can help people with if you want to share that so I offer a bunch of free resources.

Novalee: 45:37

So, like we have this wonderful interview right now, I have a bunch of other interviews also on YouTube with different like wonderful people who've been kind enough to invite me on their podcast, and I've done a bunch of articles and I have a blog. I feel like sometimes people are like a blog that's so old and I'm like you know, back in the day not so long ago. Like you, you know, I have a series on name changes and what, what you can expect if you go through them, even if you don't go through them with a numerologist and like house numbers. We haven't talked about that so much, but like what each house number means and depending on what base number you have, like that house number might feel different. I have the calculator so you can pop any name into the calculator and then you can find like a really short description, really short description of it. You can find a longer description of each name, vibration and a little bit of numerology. But I use that calculator too because you should double check your math. If you're a numerologist, you should double check your math, and then I haveologist, you should double check your math. And then I have, of course, paid sessions, so I have short recordings. If you just want to like dip in your toes, I have full one hour, two hour sessions reading your numeroscope, reading your yearly cycles, which are kind of like your transits in astrology, like we can look at you through time. And then I offer name changes for both grownups and babies. I love, I feel very, very privileged every time someone reaches out and is like I'm pregnant and I want a harmonious, supportive name for my child. I'm like, oh my God, thank you, oh, I have been chosen, so I help with naming babies too. Or, like we talked about, like you can use some of my sessions too if you want to look at like naming your book or your product, or like launching it and different options for it.

Novalee: 47:29

Numerology is not here to like brand you wrong or lost or like, yeah, just like defect, defective. But there are definitely name vibrations that can help us, like a filter that not just make us look better but feel better. And there are filters, name vibrations, that can make us focus on specific things about ourselves or about other people that are not so helpful, right. So like they kind of call in certain experiences and for some base numbers.

Novalee: 48:01

Some name vibrations are more challenging, like you're a nine and you can carry a lot of nine energy just because you are nine, um, where certain other like certain name vibrations, like twos, which would be lovely for two, would be a little like oh, I'm very sensitive about certain things, other people's opinions, whoa, I really care and I would say well, when you're a leadership number, sure you should take into account what other people need, but you cannot spend your time inside of them feeling what they feel without getting a little off track of that leadership course. So, like, sometimes also understanding, like it's not just changing names, it's also understanding like we can't lose the knowledge and wisdom and experience we have gotten from carrying whatever names we've carried. But sometimes we can integrate it a little bit better once we're out of it, like we all know. Like getting out of a situation means that you can sometimes appreciate it and go like, okay, what did I learn? It was horrible, but what did I learn?

Rose: 49:11

Yeah, there's lessons in everything.

Novalee: 49:15

Yeah, always.

Rose: 49:16

Well, I wish I had talked to you before I named my podcast. Although I love the name of the podcast, it's like you know, I always struggle. I struggle with naming things and stuff, but we'll see. Well, it works for now.

Novalee: 49:30

Who knows? Well, also, I mean your energy is the most important, important and like I mean, rose is a 17, 8 uh name, vibration, which is attention, fame, spotlight, like something is being pulled. So you know you are pulling, like it has a name and it has impact, but you are the one wielding the tool. So, like your energy is also pulling, pulling the energy well, that's good to know.

Rose: 49:54

That makes me feel feel better. Thank you.

Novalee: 49:56

Well, that's also like sometimes people are like, oh, am I just doomed? I'm like easy, easy, no, no, no, like it's all working.

Rose: 50:03

So this has been a wonderful conversation. I thank you so much for being here today. It's been such a pleasure. I loved listening to you talk about numerology and I encourage everyone to look for Nova Lee, buy her books. They're really great books. I'll have them in the show notes, I'll have them on my website and, yes, thank you so much.

Novalee: 50:26

Thank you for having me.

Rose: 50:28

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